63 - Natalie Jurado and the Power of Magnesium 07/10/24

Many people endure long-term struggles, trying countless remedies without finding the relief they need. But there may be a solution that could finally make a difference - magnesium! Join Samantha as she talks with Natalie Jurado about the incredible benefits of this essential mineral. You'll be amazed by how magnesium can help improve well-being, and it's something you can easily try for yourself! Stay tuned!

Here's what to expect on the podcast:

• Natalie's journey in discovering magnesium.

• How magnesium works and its health benefits.

• Signs and symptoms of magnesium deficiency.

• What are the recommended ways to get magnesium into the body, and how much magnesium does our body need?

• And much more!

About Natalie:

Natalie Jurado is the founder of Rooted In, a line of therapeutic magnesium-infused moisturizers that actively calm and relax your mood. She is a sought-after thought leader, educator, and speaker and has worked at the forefront of the wellness industry for over 8 years. She’s considered an expert in all things magnesium, and her mission is to spread awareness of this powerful mineral to all who struggle to live their most vibrant lives.

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This podcast is for parents like you, navigating the world of neurodiversity with love and compassion. I'm a neurodivergent mother of three amazing neurodivergent children and a board certified music therapist. Our mission is to create a supportive space where you feel understood, connected, and inspired.

With practical tips, strategies, and resources, we'll help you and your child thrive in your unique way. Join us as we dive deep into the diverse world of neurodivergent individuals exploring topics like ADHD, autism, dyslexia, sensory processing challenges, and more. We'll cover it all to empower, educate, and uplift both neurodivergent individuals and those who walk alongside them.

Together we'll create a world where every brain is valued and celebrated. We're excited to embark on this enlightening journey with you. We are your hosts, Samantha Futt and Lauren Ross, and this is the Every Brain is Different podcast.

Welcome to the Every Brain is Different podcast. We're here with Natalie Jurado. She is the founder of rooted in a line of therapeutic magnesium infused moisturizers that actively calm and relax your mood. She is a sought after thought leader, educator, and speaker that has worked at the forefront of the wellness industry for over eight years.

She's considered an expert in all things, magnesium, and her mission is to spread awareness of this powerful mineral to all who struggle to live their most vibrant lives. Natalie, thank you so much for being on the show and welcome. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to talk about my absolute favorite topic in the world, magnesium.

Nice. Um, can you tell us a little bit more about how you're involved in the neurodivergent community? Absolutely. So, um, from my own experience, um, I, um, I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult. So it's, um, been interesting looking back on my childhood and seeing So many things that were overlooked and kind of not even addressed.

Um, and then as I, as I, you know, grew up and had children, um, my youngest child also has ADHD. So we've been trying to address it a lot differently than the way it was addressed for me. Yeah, yeah. I feel like, I don't know how old you are, but back in the day, like when I was in, when I was a kid, it was, you got on Ritalin if you had ADHD and that's what you did.

And there wasn't really a lot of other options, but now I feel like there's a lot more options and a lot more things that you can do to help kids with ADHD. So. Yeah, I think I might be a little older than you because, uh, when I had it, it was you get grounded, stuck in your room and get in trouble. There was no medication.

It was just, yeah. You get yelled at a lot. Oh yeah. That too. Like you get yelled at. And then if you're really extreme, they want them to put you on medication. So I know my, um, my cousin, they're like, he needs Ritalin and his mom was like, we're not doing that. He's just really hyperactive. We're just going to deal with it.

But he did get yelled at a lot. Um, very unfortunate. Um, yeah. So can you tell us a little bit more about your journey? Like how did you become an expert in magnesium and what led you to doing this? Absolutely. So, um, it was about, and I find that most solutions come from the problems that we're facing, right?

So it was about eight years ago that I struggled so much with my mental and physical health. Um, I was, um, I didn't, I wasn't diagnosed yet, so I had no idea what was going on. I just knew that I was really struggling, um, to sit still. I was really struggling to, you know, be able to focus and concentrate. I remember meeting with a therapist and she, she literally told me, she's like, Hey, you know, you'll never be able to work in an office, right?

I'm like, excuse me? And she's like, yeah, offices are not good for you. And so, um, but I was really struggling. Um, I had really bad anxiety. I had panic attacks regularly. I had terrible insomnia. It's like I couldn't get my brain to stop. It just kept moving and kept going and I constantly felt overwhelmed.

So, you know, I did what anybody tells you to do. I said, you know, let me make sure I have a good clean diet, make sure I'm getting plenty of rest, managing my lifestyle, getting all the exercise I possibly could, especially before I needed to sit still. So, you know, at the time I did work in an office, so I would go to the gym for like an hour, hour and a half before I knew I had to sit down for a few hours.

So trying to get it all out of me and I still struggled, like it was awful. You know, I went to my doctor. She was gracious enough to offer me every test under the sun. Um, and she sent me to a ton of different specialists. And at the end of the day, she sat me down, she looked me straight in the face, and she said, Natalie, there is nothing wrong with you.

She's like, this is all in your head. Your blood work is perfect. You're one of my healthiest patients. She's like, you know, this is what happens as we women age. You know, as we get to a certain age, we're going to not sleep as well, we're going to feel more anxious. And she basically kind of told me to get over it or take a bunch of medication that those were my two options.

Um, which was very bittersweet because on one side, I'm like, yes, I'm healthy. Everything's great. And then the other side was, but I'm not okay with this. This isn't normal for me. And it really kind of empowered me to define what is normal for Natalie. You know, what is normal for me. It might be very different from what's normal from other people, but this is my normal and I get to choose what that is.

I get to be in control of that. So, um, I knew for me, I wanted, I wanted a different life. I wanted, um, to feel calmer and not so overwhelmed. So I kept searching and looking and searching and experimenting and doing everything I could to find answers. And through a wild turn of events, I'm at a farmer's market.

There's this older woman. We get into a conversation because I could, I could talk to anyone and anywhere, everywhere. I am a chatterbox. So I get into this conversation with this lady. I tell her what's going on. And she's like, you know, have you tried magnesium? I'm like, you know, at this point I would stand upside down on my head and say the alphabet backwards if you told me it would help me sleep at night.

Yeah. Yeah. So I started using it on my skin particularly. And within a week I went from sleeping two hours a night regularly to sleeping about six. I didn't have as much anxiety. I started to see that go down and I didn't have a panic attack that whole week. And I thought, what is going on with this mineral?

Why aren't we talking about, why isn't Oprah doing an episode about magnesium? Yeah. Like. This is so important. And that kind of spurred my whole trajectory after that. That is such an awesome story. Nike, I love the ending, like not your struggle, but it's so typical of what women go through that. They, I've heard that they have, you have ADHD your whole life, but you have coping mechanisms and then you get to a certain age or a certain life event.

For most women, it's when they become mothers that their coping skills go out the window because they see it. They can't cope with all the new things, and so that's when the problems start happening, that they're not sleeping, they're feeling the more hyperactivity in their brain, but it's always been there, they just had the coping skills.

And now they're just like, well, I don't know what to do anymore, it's, this isn't my normal. And so, Yes, it's very unfortunate that that is what is seen, but I think it's so common and like I had to push for 10 years to get an ADHD diagnosis. And it wasn't until I was on TikTok and I was on TikTok for like a couple years and I kept seeing all this stuff about ADHD and I'm like, I really think I have ADHD.

And so I finally found a provider that would, and I was even going to a psychiatrist and they're like, you don't need to worry about that. And I'm like. But I do, you know, and so, um, yes, I think that is just like a very familiar story that I've heard, and I'm glad that you were able to find something that worked for you because there are so many people that struggle for so long.

And they never find something that works. So, um, yes. Tell us more about magnesium, how it works, um, how you use it, all, all the things, absolutely. And I kind of want to, I want to go back to what you said, cause it really kind of, um, it really hit me in the heart. The, the, the amount of times that we, um, cope that we've developed these coping coping mechanisms, the amount of times that I masked it.

And I think that, that, that is something that we don't talk about enough in the community is how much we mask that those ADHD symptoms and how that can really turn into anxiety down the road, because we're so over focused on masking so that nobody knows our dirty little secret that, you know, we really can't sit still, um, that it really can create this, this.

Um, feeling of, of not being enough or feeling of, I don't want anyone to know. And it really can develop true anxiety. I saw that a lot in my, um, my son who's, he's now 13, where he was an amazing student. The teachers had nothing but beautiful things to say about him. And it was because all day long he'd be masking, but the minute he got home, he turned into a little Tasmanian devil.

Like he was just. Just tormenting the whole household because all day long, he had to hold it together. And when he got home, he finally felt safe enough to let it all out. So I think it's something we really, it's so important for us to recognize in ourselves and also to recognize in our children as well.

Yes. My son is the same way. He is a little angel at school. As long as he has, he has to wear long sleeves and a hood as long. Cause Somebody made fun of his armpits once at school. I don't know. And I'm like, what in the world? And so As long as he has his long sleeves and his hood He keeps it in all day and he is like the perfect student and then he comes home and he just lets it all out so definitely like Remembering to be that safe space for your children that they can let it out.

And if they do have meltdowns, just being there, co regulating with them, helping them understand like things that you can do when you're angry, things you can't do when you're angry. But, um, yes, the masking is definitely something to watch, watch for in yourself and watch for in your children. 100 percent I agree.

So thank you so much for saying that. That's so, that's so important. Um, but as for, as for how magnesium has made a huge difference for me, and as well as my son, um, our whole family is, is big, big magnesium users at this point. Um, for myself, um, magnesium is involved in a, And over 700 different chemical reactions in our body.

So it does, it's involved in everything. It's literally present in every single one of our trillions of cells in our body as well. So like without it, we would cease to function. It's that important for us. And it's normally present in our food. However, the foods that it's present in are typically your.

dark green leafy vegetables, your nuts and your seeds. And I don't know about you, but getting my kids to eat a salad, it's almost impossible, right? So getting the foods that are rich in magnesium and even getting myself, especially as a busy person, making sure that I eat enough of those greens can be difficult.

So about 70 percent of the population fails to get enough magnesium in their diet every single day. Like when we think about those numbers, that's seven out of 10 people who are walking around. chronically deficient in a mineral that is involved in every single one of these biological processes. So the symptoms can can really run the gamut.

Everything from feeling irritable and moody, to feeling overly anxious, to difficulty sleeping, restless legs, muscle cramps, muscle twitching, chronic headaches, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, Those are all tied to low magnesium. So because there's so many huge symptoms out there and it looks different in every single person, it's often called the invisible deficiency, because many people have the same experience I did where they go and they say, Hey doc, I need, I need to figure out what's going on.

And magnesium deficiency, unfortunately, is not something that's commonly brought up in these offices. So, um, being able to recognize what those symptoms look like and to address it quickly and easily. is the key. And thankfully, magnesium is so cheap, readily affordable, and super easy to get in your body.

Yeah, that's awesome. Um, what are some ways like, do you just, I know there's like the calm powder that you can mix in a drink, or you can take it as a pill, or What are the recommended ways to get it in your system? Absolutely. So this is what really trips people up because people get excited about their magnesium.

They're like, Hmm, maybe I can take it to help me with focus. Maybe I can take it to help me calm down. Maybe I can take it just to help me feel less anxious. So they're excited. They're like, yeah, I want to get my hands on some magnesium. And then they go to the health food store and they walk in and they see the magnesium aisle, which is usually like an long, right?

And there's just all different types of magnesium and they get. instantly overwhelmed and they're like, no, I don't want to do this. I can't take this. So what I like to do is really break down the different forms of magnesium. There's over 14 different varieties of magnesium out there, right? Um, and some of them do a great job at raising your levels, other forms, not so much.

So as a rule of thumb, uh, for anyone listening out there, the easiest thing, the most important thing for you to remember is to avoid a form called magnesium oxide. So that's typically sold as a pill. And it's the most commonly recommended, it's the cheapest, and it's the most readily available form of magnesium.

Unfortunately, it only absorbs at a rate of 4%, which means the other 96 percent's gonna go right through your digestive track and have you running to the bathroom and nobody wants that right , that's just unpleasant for everybody. So, um, magnesium oxide is a form that should be avoided. So when you go out to those pharmacies or to the health food store, or even on Amazon, make sure to you that you're reading the labels and it does not contain magnesium oxide.

All the other forms, for the most part, are going to be a good choice. You could use your citrates, your glycinates, your malates, your threonates, all great forms, no issues there. So just remember to stay away from the oxide. The other side, and this is really important when we, when we think about getting magnesium into our children is the fact that magnesium can absorb beautifully right through your skin.

So, um, you know, my kid, my, my youngest is 13 and he still gives me a hard time swallowing any kind of supplement or pill. So anytime we have an option that doesn't require swallowing a pill, we're always happy about that. So using magnesium on your skin as a gel, a spray, a lotion, or even a bath is an incredible way of raising your levels.

There's no risk for overdose because your skin will regulate how much magnesium your body takes in. Um, and it works really, really quickly and effectively. So it's super safe, super fast to do, and the easiest way to do that, and this is something that anybody can do even tonight, is to go out to the store and buy yourself a bag of Epsom salts.

So Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate. It's one of those old timey remedies that like our grandmothers used to do, that kind of thing. But Epsom salts are a beautiful way to get magnesium into your children as well as into yourself. A nice relaxing Epsom salt bath is, is a great way to unwind in the evenings.

But if your child is, you know, especially young and they're taking regular baths, throwing a, throwing a cup of Epsom salt in there and see how they feel afterwards. See if they're more relaxed, they're calmer, they're more focused and see how they feel. That is genius. I was like, how am I going to get my kids to take magnesium?

But they take, they take pills like a champ because they have so many things that they need pills for, but they love taking baths. And so I don't, I'm like, I don't want to give them another pill, but we have Epsom salt. So that is, and I was going to ask you if you could Like overdose on it, but you said that it regulates it.

So that's awesome because I'm like, well, I don't want to do too much, but, um, yes. And I've heard about the magnesium oxide, that it is terrible. Like you're going to live in the bathroom if you take too much. So yeah, stay away from that, unless you're having problems in that area, then maybe take it and it can help you.

Um, but yes. I was going to say my boyfriend just did a. Deprivation like salt water bath thing or Epsom salt bath thing and they said I would put like a thousand ton of Epsom salt in this thing and he basically floated, but he said he just felt. Immediately better after that. Like you just saw them and like little aches and pains weren't there.

And, uh, so this, this is all making sense now. Yeah, that's awesome. Those float centers are so cool. I have yet to go. And I'm like, one of the things that it's on my bucket list, cause there is a float center near us. But yeah, they load that up with so much Epson salt and it, and like people are night and day.

It's almost like a feeling of euphoria that they get afterwards. That's awesome. He said. Yeah, it's because magnesium is you're, you're super saturating all of your cells and magnesium. And so once you get a really high amount like that much, I mean, I can't imagine how incredible that feels. So what is your recommendation for like how often to use like?

The Epsom salts or do they make bath bombs with magnesium in them? Cause that would be my kid's jam. So as far as bath bombs go, there's not going to be enough Epsom salt in that bath bomb, um, to really meet the amount that you want to do. You're wanting it for, for adults or, you know, teens, you know, 10 years old and up two cups of Epsom salt.

And then if you're able, add a cup of baking soda to the water. So the bicarbonate that's in the baking soda will help that magnesium get into your cells a lot faster. It's a cofactor for magnesium. So I always recommend 2 cups epsom salt, 1 cup baking soda, soak for at least 20 minutes, and the water must be warm, not hot.

Because hot water makes us sweat and detox, and warm water opens up our pores and lets everything in. So we always go warm water. Aim to do this two to three times a week. Now, if your child is smaller, like if you've got like a little one, toddlers, that kind of thing, then cut that in half. The other thing that you can do, especially as moms, I know I don't get enough time to soak in the bath, certainly not three times a week, although I wish I could.

Um, another thing you can do is do a foot bath with that. So while you're working, maybe while you're watching TV, while you're helping get your kids down at naptime, go ahead and put a foot basin with that same two cup to one cup ratio, soak 20 minutes and see how you feel after that. Ooh, I could do that sitting, sitting in my bathtub.

Maybe this is a neurodivergent thing or just me. I don't know, but sitting in my bathtub freaks me out. I feel like something is going to come up through the drain and get me. So, or like, you know, the. The movie from like way back in the day where she gets murdered in the bathtub, in the shower. I feel like someone's going to come do that to me when I'm in the bathtub.

And I'm like, what, what is wrong with you? So people are like, take a relaxing, a relaxing bath. No, no, it's not relaxing, but I can do the foot thing. I can do the foot bath. That'd be awesome. Yeah, absolutely. That was really random. I'm sorry. But for anyone out there that doesn't, maybe if I have like an open, you know, an open bathtub, like they have like those jacuzzi tubs, I could do that.

But when it's like, down in the, anyway, it's just not my jam, but I want to get the benefits of this. So I will be doing the foot bath for sure. Yeah. It's super easy, super cost effective. I mean, I've actually seen them at the dollar store before for a dollar, well, a dollar 25 now, cause it's a dollar, but you know, so they're very cost effective, super easy to use and, and very well tolerated.

Yeah. Yeah, we have a whole bag of Epsom salt that we never use because I'm afraid of the bathtub apparently. So, but I never thought about putting it in with my kids because I was always afraid that like it would overwhelm them and I would do something to their bodies that wasn't good. But I'm really glad that you brought that up that it's, it will be okay.

Absolutely. I like to compare it to the ocean. So like I'm a Florida girly, you know, we have beaches all over the place. And so, um, our oceans are 35 percent magnesium chloride. So when you swim in the ocean, a lot of times, if you go to the beach, you swim around the ocean, you feel relaxed, your muscles don't hurt.

You sleep like a rock that night. Then it's because that ocean water is saturating yourselves in magnesium chloride. The thing is, is that nobody ever tells you, get out of the ocean, you're getting too much magnesium. Nobody, nobody in the history of time has ever said that because our skin will do an incredible job of regulating how much we get.

Yeah, that's true. I went to South Carolina and I had never been to a warm beach before because I live in Idaho by Oregon. And then I, I've been to the beach in Maine and the beach in Oregon and then in California, it was cold too, but I went to a warm beach and I got in the water and I slept so good that night.

It was amazing. So yes, thank you for, if you live by the ocean, go jump in. You don't have to take a bath in the scary bathtub. Um, yeah. Are there any other resources or any other like things that you want to share? Yeah, absolutely. Um, I do have a really great, um, free resource that I always offer to people.

And it's what it's called my magnesium types cheat sheet. And it lists 11 different forms of magnesium, which form is going to absorb well for your specific problem. You know, which one's best for sleep, which one's best for muscle cramps, that kind of thing, so that people can print it out with them. And then when they go on Amazon or when they go to the health food store, it feels a lot less overwhelming.

So I do have that available as a free Printable free resource. I always like to offer to people. Um, and then the other option, if you ever want to take that Epsom salt feeling with you is to use magnesium creams and magnesium creams go right on your skin. And you kind of take that bath time with you. I really like doing that for my, um, my youngest child, right before he goes to school.

So it kind of helps his school days still feel a lot calmer. He feels a little bit more centered and a little more focused while he's at school. And then of course, at nighttime to get them to knock out and go to sleep. It's always a great time to reapply that magnesium at nighttime. Yeah, that's awesome.

I'm going to use it for my kids when they go to school because my one son just, my one son is amazing at school and the other one has so much anxiety. So that is something definitely useful to use. Where can people find you or find this resource online? Yeah, absolutely. So I am at BeRootedIn. com. That's our website.

Um, and then across all socials at BeRootedIn as well. I'm really active on TikTok. We have a really beautiful following there. Um, and I answer questions anytime, drop your comments, send me a message. I am always here for you to answer any kind of questions about mag museum. Awesome. Thank you. And our last question is what do you do for fun?

Oh, good question. I go out in the garden. I, um, love going out there. Of course, I haven't been out there in two weeks and there's weeds everywhere, so I'm not looking forward to that, but I like to try and grow as much of our produce as possible, um, which I'm learning. It's, it's been a learning curve. When I first started, everything died and now less things are dying.

This doesn't mean much more, but just less things in my garden. So, um, that is where I kind of de stress. My kids know that if I'm out there, they're not allowed to come talk to me, bother me, or bring me any more problems because I will not answer them. Nice. I love it. That's my mom's happy place too. Like her yard is phenomenal and just, she has like an this huge garden, but anyway, I love it.

I wish I want to garden. I just don't make myself go out there. But once I'm out there, I like it. Yeah, I love that you do that. So yes, thank you so much for coming on the show. We really appreciate your time. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. And thank you so much for what you're doing to really spread knowledge to everybody.

Oh, thank you. Yeah, we love it.

I learned so much from her. She was amazing. What did you think? Well, before I get to what I think, I think it's hilarious that you're like, bathtub's no, scary. And then you're like, catch up with the ocean. Like, sharks. The shark's home. Okay. When I get in the ocean, I still freak out. But, I'm not enclosed like I am in a bathtub.

I was going to say, it's because it's been opened in your space and not a closed space. Yeah, but have you ever heard of saltwater crocodiles? Because that will make you never want to get in the ocean. Have you never watched River Monsters before? I have not. I don't watch. Probably shouldn't. I shouldn't, I shouldn't watch that.

Let's do, it's okay. I was like, that's why I learned about saltwater crocodiles, . Yeah. I was like, I'm in the ocean that the crocodiles can't get me. When I was in South Carolina and then they're like, saltwater crocodiles. I'm like, say what? And they're huge. Nope. Oh my gosh. The, the ocean freaks me out. But I'm like, if I just stay next to the shore, it will be okay.

I don't go all the way in. I'm pretty sure one of the nature channels did a salt water crocodile versus shark like scenario situation. Talking about who they thought. That's hilarious. But anyway. Yeah, anyway, I'm going to Florida in October. And, um, eaten. Everyone's like the oceans. I'm like, Hmm. But we'll see what happens.

Anyway, back to what we were here to talk about. Um, I love this. Uh, my, one of my coworkers, uh, every time I'm like complaining about something, she always says magnesium. And, uh, her doctor recommended magnesium for when she was pregnant. 'cause she had really high blood pressure and like cramping and stuff and like the legs and whatever.

Um, and she always says that and that. What, um, she said about like, when we go to the store and we're looking down the aisle, there's so many options. Like, that's what I did. I went and I looked and like, it was so overwhelming and I didn't know what I was supposed to be looking for that I walked away. And so I'm very excited to, to check out her free resource of, of the different types and what to look for, for the specific things that we're needing.

And so I'm, I'm excited to check that out so I can actually, uh, Do this because I think, I think it might help with some things going on in my life. Yeah. Um, I've heard, well, and like she said, it. Tames anxiety and restlessness and all of that. So I'm excited to try it with my kids. Who have anxiety and like certain situations and maybe give them some before we go to those situations and see if it helps them.

Especially if you need like a lotion for them. Yeah, yeah. I don't need lotion yet before I go. Yeah, because my, my one son does not take baths anymore. So he can't. Do the Epsom salt, but he could use some lotion, you know? So, yeah. Um, and one other thing that not necessarily related to the magnesium, but, um, I think it's a, just a, a nice reminder, uh, cause we were talking about masking and how kids like mask so much at home or out school.

And then they get home and then like all bets are off. I think you should think of it as a good thing as a parent that they feel safe enough. To unmask at home. Yeah. And I think, I see parents are like, why or whatever, but I think just in your back of your mind, be like you're doing a good enough job that they feel safe to unmask Yeah.

With you. Um, and just there's something to, to keep in mind as, as a parent to, to make you feel better about the challenges. Yeah, for sure. Because I've heard that so much. Like my kid is so amazing at school and then they get home or they're so amazing out in public and then they get home. And I always like to say, um, I think my sister said it perfectly when my mom was like, why are you so awesome at school?

And you come home and you're just. It's grumpy and you lash out at people. And she's like, I'm around stupid people all day long. And when I come home, I need to release something. And then I can do that at school or I can do it at home. You choose which one, because I can't hold it in all day long. So yeah, I can be a turner at school if you prefer.

Yeah. My mom's like, no, no, no, no. I will. I will handle it at home. It's fine. You know? And I think that's what a lot of people get frustrated with, like, we were talking about with Shannon, that they're not understanding their peers. And so then they get frustrated that they're not fitting in. And then they just get more and more frustrated because they also have to mask to fit in, which is very unfortunate.

I don't think you should have to mask to fit in, but it's the world we live in. And so. Once they get home, like, yeah, just let, just be that safe space for him. Yeah. So I really liked that. She brought that up because that's really important, but I was thinking about it. I was like, what does it say about me as a parent when my child is a terrorist school, but then he comes home and he's fine and like, am I not his safe space?

Like that's, that's not okay. But I think it's because he has PDA, which is pathological demand avoidance. And. The school is giving him so many demands. And when he comes home, I do low demand parenting. And so he doesn't have as much anxiety at home. And so he doesn't have to like be defiant as much because I'm not giving him all the demands.

That's probably where kids with PDA. They don't care about hierarchy. They don't care if you're an adult and they're a kid, they don't recognize that. And so he's like, you're an adult telling me what to do. I don't care. I'm going to do what I want because that's just what I do. So, but yeah, I was thinking about that the other day.

I was like, Oh, he's a terror at school and then comes home and he's fine. So does that mean I'm a terrible parent? Because I'm not a terrible parent. So, yeah, I was just thinking about that. But. It makes sense with my other kids who I don't think they have PDA. They just have anxiety and like ADHD and autism.

And so they do mask at school because they've recognized the hierarchy. They recognize that they're supposed to be doing what adults ask them to, and they're worried about that, you know? So I just think that's an important thing for parents to realize too, is that there are differences. Among kids, like we say, every brain is different.

So, you know, just different things. Yeah, I really do mean that. Like, even if your kid isn't diagnosed as neurodivergent, every brain is different. There's no one the same. And. What we say on this show, um, it's just ideas and not everything is going to work for your child. Not everything is going to work for you, but they're just ideas to help you if you want to try something else.

If you're having, you know, if your child is going through a hard time, if you're going through a hard time, like they're just ideas to try, they're not meant to do a lot of things. All of them. Yeah. And again, like today's episode, magnesium, it may not work for everyone and, but why not try it? If, especially if it's safe and it sounds like that for the most part, it pretty much is.

So why not give it a go? Yeah. If it doesn't work, then, you know, that's okay too. Yeah, for sure. But, yeah, so, thanks for listening today. Give us a review rating, if you would, please, please, please, so we can get the word out more. Um, we really appreciate everyone that listened, and we'll see you next week.

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