60 - Michaell Magrutsche and Finding Your Strengths 16/09/24

People often expect neurodivergent individuals to conform to the same norms as everyone else, but this isn't a realistic or fair expectation! Join Samantha as she engages in a conversation with Michaell Magrutsche about recognizing and embracing your unique strengths. It's important to understand that being different from the norm is perfectly okay and can be a powerful source of personal growth and success! Stay tuned!

Here's what to expect on the podcast:

• Michaell's experiences growing up as a neurodivergent child with dyslexia and dysgraphia.

• Focus on nurturing children's natural talents and interests rather than trying to 'fix' their perceived weaknesses.

• The importance of recognizing and embracing individual uniqueness rather than trying to fit into generalized systems and norms.

• Critiquing the education system.

• And much more!

About Michaell:

Michaell Magrutsche is an Austrian/Californian creativity and awareness advisor (private, corporate, and political) about humanity and our natural human inclusivity, synergistically fitting all our one of oneness by updating our man-made systems to better serve all. Michaell has written six books about art and humanity, with over 400 guest appearances worldwide since March 2022. Michaell talks about distinctions between human-centricity and system-relevant perspectives.

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Embrace a journey of neurodiverse parenting With us came I was seven and went into school. This podcast is for parents like you navigating the world of neurodiversity love and compassion. I'm Argent mother of three amazing neurodiversity children and a board certified music therapist. Our mission is to create a supportive space.

You feel understood, connected. By with practical tips, strategies and resources will help you and your child thrive in your unique way. Join us as we, in the diverse world of neuro divergent individuals, explor, topics D, adhd, autism, dyslexia, sensory processing challenges, and we'll cover it all to empower, educate, and uplift both neuro divergent individuals and those who myself will create a world where every brain is dying and celebrated.

We're excited to embark on Journey with you. We're your host Samantha and Lauren Ross, and this is the ever different podcast pd since March 22, added, did 300 talks all over the world on 60 topics, not just neurodiversity on 60 topics. Not prepared. All of a sudden, and, and I found out that all the system relevant preparation and what you have to do and what title you have to get it even to get the Oscar, because I talked to Oscar, the people that got the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever, the system relevant appreciation is never can never justify to your life.

You're living every moment every day, you know, uh, it's not just for what it's saying. So then it was in school. Uh, I have eight, uh, years of school because in that age, people were saying, I was, I was, uh, diagnosed and they said, yeah, you're dyslexic. They didn't even know dysgraphia at all then there was no awareness of that.

So, you're dyslexic, so you still have to read the book and has to do the curriculum. You have to read, you have to write, you have to get the exams. And as we know, school education comes from 1845, Prussian, uh, German model to prepare people, kids to get into war. That is the, that's the base and it hasn't changed, hasn't updated, education hasn't updated, we've become more aware, we are all aware, oh there's neurodiversity, there's this, there's this, but we are still, still, I heard my friend, uh, who is very neurodiverse, Uh, he's, uh, told me that in Scotland, when you don't do something, uh, right, you, you, you get put in the corner, the teacher can put you in the corner with your nose on the wall for six hours.

What? Yeah. I'm just, and this is, this is today. Okay. So, so I'm just saying, if that doesn't shame you, if that doesn't discriminate you, if that doesn't off, it's, it's the thing. So all these things, um, happening and, uh, I'm working internationally on education because I want to teach kids first, what it is to be a human being.

Being a part of nature, being a species, a collective creative species. That's why we, we are so crazy for Google and Apple and everything because we collectively create. Steve Jobs didn't create the, the Apple. If he would alone, he would still sit in Saudi and San Jose. It's a group. We all dance with each other and, uh, and collaborate, create.

And that's what makes us happier. The happiest. Yeah. And, uh, we do that. And then so, so art creation was my, so I have eight years for all the people. They want to know how smart I am. I'm not smart at all. You know, I'm not small, I'm a human, I know about my one on one humanity, and that's what makes me work.

That was what gets me interviews, that gets me things, because I am one on one. My hope, my opinion, I'm not saying I have the answers, I'm an educator, I educate you, or everything. No. I'm contributing and dance with you in the, in the, uh, whenever we, whoever, and whenever we dance with each other. But I also appreciate you because you are one of one of eight billion people.

So for me, it's very valuable to dance with you. And it's an honor to dance with another one of one individual that, you know, is eight billions. And that's what I want to tell all the kids, there's no reason that you are not good enough or you're not the best thing because nature made you. To be nature doesn't make mistakes.

So you are one of 8 billion. If you like it or not, if you like your body or not, it's inconsequential. It is inconsequential because this is the society says you have to have red hair and you have to have this, that this means this you were nature doesn't make mistakes, systems are created by us and they're faulty.

You know, because we are not, we are not God, we are not, we are not nature, nature doesn't make mistakes. So you're 101. So I, I ended up, ended up, I ended up with eight years of school and had to repeat two classes because I couldn't, I couldn't comprehend, I couldn't, uh, and I was actually pushed out in one exam, uh, in English because I went to Vienna, I was born in Vienna, in Austria.

So, I was actually kicked out, uh, by the English, you know, there always should, should be two, two people in the classroom when they examine you. So, I was left with that one and they just kicked me out the last, my class. I'm just saying, I didn't feel, I didn't understand it. Neurodivergent, we don't understand what happens.

We just think, Oh, we are so bad. They're so wrong. We can't solve it. We don't think, Oh my God, the gap just. It's something that wasn't right. We don't think that we blame ourselves a lot. It goes right to a direct line into self blame. Okay. Another thing I didn't, uh, I didn't achieve another thing. I didn't make, you know, and I, I mean, there's, there's, I live literally from the hand to the mouth.

It's I literally have because it could never be system relevant. So, uh, but I can trust humans and they helped me out. And dance with each other. And that's, that's a good thing. So then after eight years, what happened was yeah, eight years of school that, and I started, I loved art. And I think that's very important to also see because art doesn't judge, you know, humans judge, art doesn't.

All art wants to be made is you have an inspiration that you do a podcast, right? And you do it and, and you, you think with your non physical self, you talk to it and, and feel, okay, what should I do? Oh, I'm going to wear this. I'm going to buy this. I'm going to make it a little nice big crop with the flowers and stuff.

And that's your, your thing is that's your creation. And in the process of creation, it's the most powerful thing. So what I, I, I started being a, an artist. I loved art. I loved, uh, you know, movies and. Music made me survive adolescence, which does, I want to see the millions that art saves, you know, uh, where you say, Oh, I'm actually, because art speaks to everyone is that art is our universal language.

So when you see a movie and you see something that's you, you know, that's, that, that you can relate to, you also suddenly feel perhaps I'm not so bad. There's other people also that hurt. There's other people without an R. There's other people with, with, they're blind. There are other people that know they're virgin.

And it doesn't mean you are nothing. Because that you exist is, is, that is so valuable because you're one of eight, eight billion, eight billion people. How valuable is that? And we don't value that at all. No, you are. Oh, so you, you're, you're, you're like every woman. They all want them. The money's guys. The, the, the, the money's the money of the guys.

You, you, it's like the generalization kills us. And it kills us also reverse engineered by saying, okay, these are dyslexic. Now, you know, it becomes an income source for everybody, like the heart attack, the, the high blood pressure and everything because we, we collectively live in a lack, which is an outdated financial principle.

So it's never enough. Whatever we do, we are doing a hundred grand today, tomorrow, we have to do, you know, 120 grand. It's never enough. We can never enjoy the enoughness. And that, the sadness of that is that, that, that the bigger and the billionaire. Uh, I think 70, 80 percent of their time alive, they think about money to beg on a billionaire.

So there's no solution. So that's why being in the moment and dancing with all the one on ones is actually fulfilling. You make once, you know, we as we as free as we can get by dancing with others and stuff, trying to be a leader and trying to be the superstar because those are the least free people.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Can you tell us a little bit more about dyslexia? I know a lot of parents have asked us how to help their kids with dyslexia who have it. What would you say to parents who are like, I just don't know how to help my kid. Okay. What is help? I would, I would ask him, what do you think help is?

Yeah. And what is the help intending to, if I want to make you a lawyer, that's not help. That is. Deny your 1 0 1 is and become that which pays the most money. So once you get the people aware, the, the parents aware of that. And first, first of all, there's no kid that has dyslexia. That where the parents don't have one of the parents doesn't have.

I mean, those are scientific facts. Mm-Hmm. . There's also no solution for dyslexia because every dyslexic is different. I'm working on a lot of dyslexia, uh, uh, neurodiverse, uh, groups. And, um, there are humans that are so shamed because of their dyslexia, they move into autism and, or if they have autism from their birth or whatever, they, they move into that, into that.

I'm, I'm like two points before autism. So above, and that was just diagnosed, uh, this year in January. So which means absolutely nothing. If I would have heard that 20 years ago, I would have jumped off a roof. But it means nothing because there is no same things. So basically what dyslexia or, or, or neurodiverse people are, we are the canaries in the, in the, in the coal mine, we, we are hypersensitive with other people feel that's why we said when we met every, everything, we all on the, on the spectrum, everybody's on the spectrum and that's why system says, Oh, they're all on the spectrum because they, you can't define You have to look at the one on one.

At the one on one person, and that one on one person needs to find their one on oneness, not to, if you want to help any human, you have to say, you're one of eight billion. Let's find out what is unique, what makes you unique, what makes you better than anybody. Because you know, the, the other science says that it went between three and five.

We are better than anybody on this planet in some skill ability when we come out. So 90, 90 percent of this when we come out, only 3%, uh, uh, uh, when we have university, all the system relevant issues. Uh, only then we have, uh, uh, we have, we have like only 3 percent are gifted after that. So when you're done with all of the schooling, when you're so disconditioned of who you are and generalized, you know, uh, he's a, he's a policeman, he's a, he's a nurse, but it's so generalized and enforced our, we can only be 3 percent can only be gifted.

They have to be, have an extreme power, extreme, and actually the people that are mostly in the middle, in the 80%, right? Not the outliers, the people in the middle have the most power. We don't have that power because we cannot sell out, not sell out, we cannot adapt to something that isn't us. So we are hypersensitive because we can't adapt to something that isn't us.

And, and, and, and so when, when parents would ask me and I have the same as you, people ask me and say, what am I doing? I said, first of all, see him as one on one, see her as one on one, see her as And don't treat them like they need to understand them. Don't treat them. You can be very strong and have boundaries and everything, but you have to dance with them and not, not saying, Oh, I want you to not speak.

No, you always express, because it's very hard when you don't express yourself. And for all the people that are on the edges, outside of the 80%, you know, they're not, they cannot adapt to system. It is extremely important to express this stuff much more than for normal people. Because even with the quote unquote neurotypical people, what happens is you say the opposite of depression is the expression.

So when you don't express yourself, you are depressed. So you need to further the expression of things. I always say when you have a hyperactive, super hyperactive, flipping out kid, which I was, uh, you have to give. The kid something to express, which I had to, because I couldn't do anything else. I had to build things and fix things and do things, but I got instant feedback from myself.

Oh, I fixed that motorcycle and it runs. So I don't need anybody saying you didn't do a good job or anything because I saw it didn't work and it made it work. So I gave my own self esteem. And when you paint something and even people say that's not art or whatever, no, it's my expression. It doesn't matter.

There is no art. Art has no value. Art has art, art, art, art. The energy of art is only wanting you to express what is your inspiration. And so I would say that, uh, discuss the help, what, like I said, so what is helping? Is it intent to have, because all mothers and parents want their kids to be able to support themselves.

I understand that. But it cannot be that. It needs to primarily be the 1 0 1 is because once you know the 1 0 1 is, the more human centric you are, the better you fit in the system. Relevance, I can talk, talk very good in system relevance, but that's why I can talk about 60 different topics because I can segregate the human centricity.

The 1 0 1 is that we are part of nature from the system relevant where? We focus on linear, you know, and linear, uh, comprehension of things. You know, one is first, two is second, three, six, yeah. And system that is because we have to have a pattern that we can talk. So systems are very important, but they are not updated.

The problem is they are generalizing. And that's what I'm working now to, that we update the systems and we reinvest into systems that they don't generalize, but they, so systems are perfect, but they need to be updated. Yeah. What updates would you like to see to the system? Two updates. One update is the 101.

So instead of saying all women need to get, all women have to get this, this, and this. When you're 15, you can't, when you're 50, you cannot have this anymore. No, because we know there's always. People that get pregnant even in the latest times, it doesn't matter this generalization you're one on one so that from from seeing it as a pattern of, uh, generality, because that's where the mistakes are the real big mistakes come that the mistakes are important because that's why we live, but when you generalize them, so systems are old because They need to update to, from generalization, which was in the Second World War, women were saying, no, I don't want to do this.

The man has to do this. That was okay. But we grew in that time, and especially with the Internet. where we found more and more our niche and from the niche we find our one on one ness. And so the systems need to look at humans not as a generalization of female male, but there's more, you know, there's, there's more.

And then that's why you, but you can't do this systemically because you cannot say this person is neurodivergent and every neurodivergent is crazy. This, this, this person is transsexual. Every, every person is, I know so many transsexuals because. And non binary and all stuff, because I'm in the arts, they're all different.

There's not, I've never seen, oh my God, the woman I met never, I've never met the same woman, another woman that's the same. So why are we playing that lie? Have you ever met a man that is the same as every other man? No, it can remind you of somebody, but it's all different. So that's the first one. The second one is, um, the second update is.

The second update is that we, the synergistic fit because of the one of oneness that forces not the hierarchical order, a vertical order, it, it forces us to Dance with each other to find a synergistic order. And also, uh, in systems, what needs to be updated is the, what, because of the one, everything is that the one on one is just the most important because it defines everything.

So you're really good working from 3 PM to 12 PM, you know, to noon to midnight. I'm really good to work from 4 AM to whatever lunch. So everybody has to the, and we, and we saw that it's possible. Because when people, it's after the pandemic, right? People worked in, at home and now in habit, and it works. And the results are better.

They're not worse. We don't say, Oh, it's horrible after COVID. No, it all worked in COVID and it works better. We just have to focus and find our one on one ness and we have to help each other to find that one on one ness. So if I'm, let's say I'm working with you and I say, Let's say, Oh my God, Samantha, you're so good when you do this.

And they're so good with that, but we don't even try because we're competing in systems and system is either or we know lose right or wrong. And so we, we fight each other. And that's when you, when you do one on one, it forces also do not. It's not about good or bad, right? We all do it collectively. It's a collective thing because every leader tells me we spin all the plates.

We're not saying the leader spins all the plates. Okay. Not just, Oh, you know, I like the red the best. I don't like the green one. I'm letting those fall. That is not, that's not. And again, that's the one on one is of the company. The company has a one on one is too. That's why vision statements and mission statements are so important.

And when they outdate, we have, we lost our ways. Yeah, I love that. Bring it on. Bring it on. Yeah. I think it's just, uh, finding your strengths and for parents that are, Okay. Trying to, quote, help their kids, um, just look at what strengths they have and really capitalize on those and just work with that. And I know someone whose child has dyslexia and they say, I think she's in like seventh grade and her reading level is a fourth grade and her mom was like, that's okay.

You know, she can read, she gets what she needs. She's never going to be like a spectacular reader and that's okay. Cause she has other strengths. And I just want to tell parents that like, really look at your child's strengths and focus on that. And definitely, you know, like get them help when they're, when there's help to be had, but also.

It's okay if they're not the best at everything . Like they're not meant to be. No. No one is meant to be the best at everything. Yes, exactly. Everything. Yeah. So what is the point of being the best on everything when you never use it? Yeah. I mean, I wrote, I mean, I wrote six books, seven books, but I published five already and I need the computer to read stuff to me.

So when I, I can read the text. Yeah. But I have, and I have to reread the text. Because of my dyslexia, I have to like your message that you messaged me before I had to read twice or three times to really get what you're saying. And, and, and, but I have a computer to use that I use technology as a help to be your one on one.

So don't use AI to do the things for you, but use AI to find who you are, you know, more and more of who you are, not of being more system relevant to say, Oh, I'm like every lawyer. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. That doesn't work. You have to be you. Then you, you do, you, you contribute to humanity in your view of what your view of a lawyer is supposed to be or is.

Yeah. Yeah. She's not supposed to be what it is, you know? Yeah. I love that. Um, it just made me think of, have you watched the show? Will Trent? It's on, no. Okay. So it's a detective who has severe dyslexia. Yeah. And I love that they're showing him. Just doing his thing. And he's like one of the best detectives in, you know, the agency.

And he uses a recorder to dictate his notes and he never writes anything down. And he just. And I love it that they're showing that you don't have to be the same as everyone else to get the job done. And they're showing that in the media. And that's what you do too. Yeah, exactly. I can't. I have dysgraphia.

I have dysgraphia. So it's dyslexia that affects my writing. I cannot read. I, when I read, my brain cannot decipher what I wrote three hours ago. If I look around after I can still remember what I wrote. Yeah. But I cannot decipher the context in the next day. So everything is a voice memo. Everything. Yeah.

And I type it in. So if the voicemail is good, I type it in. That's how I read, wrote my books. Yeah, that's awesome. Um, can you tell us about the resources that you have? I know you have white papers and your books. Where can people find that? Yeah, you can put the white papers in your episode, in our episode.

So, so people think, and obviously you have the freedom to, this is not for making money. This is helping other people, you know, and, uh, and there's no steps. It's not seeing as at first you have to do this, then you have to do this, not linear. It's just telling you stories about. People. So you see that you're one on one and there's no dyslexic or any neurodivergent that is the same as the other.

There is none. Yeah. And for sure. And we have to really detach us from the abnormality of the definition of neurodiversity. Neurodiversity the system needs to do healthcare and all the other stuff. But for us, it should never be like, it shouldn't be that you say, I'm a woman. It shouldn't be. You are human.

A one on one human. I'm a one on one. I'm just a guy. You know, because you also know this woman, they get, they are 10 times as, as masculine as, as man. And there's men that I never, no woman can ever be as feminine as a man. You know, it's just, it's, there is no, there is no segregation. We become too conscious.

We grew, our consciousness grew and we can't anymore seeing like acting like the second, after the second world war. Oh, I like to be a woman. And they like to do their homework and take care of the kids. And the guys have to be macho. They can't be something else other than being strong and macho. That's, we, we all hurt ourselves by believing that, you know, mhm.

For sure. Um, where can people find you? We'll put this in the show notes too, but just tell people where can people find you online, like one place. So michael m.com. Michael with two ls m.com, and there's all my, and if you put my name into YouTube, there's 200 videos and you can even put Michael, uh, mag and Nerd Diversity.

And there's probably 40 for the, uh, podcast where I say the similar things, not, not the same always, because the questions are different. So it's always a one on one thing. And, uh, but there's a lot of things, uh, education. I work worldwide on it, education for, for, uh, that we learn first before we educate, that we learn.

What it is to be a human being, you know, one of them. I love it. And our last question is, what do you do for fun? Being me being, I love it being me. It's, it's like, it's like I, I work about 10 to 12 hours a day and I'm discovering, exploring, uh, uh, and you know, neurodiverse to have, to have the energy is different.

So when you know how to balance your energy, You know, I know the right vitamins to take too, which is in my white papers too, uh, that help you. I mean, there's certain things of no sugar that there's, I, when I stopped sugar, literally at 52, I suffered my whole life and shamed myself. And when I 52, I, I got enlightened by writing this book of being system relevant versus human centric.

And I also stopped sugar. And, and sugar is. And the preservatives, you know, all that stuff comes out now, what's in our food. That's why I say, don't worry about climate change, worry about clean food, clean water, clean air. Yeah. It's climate change. Okay. It's like, let's talk to God. And you have no connection to, you have no connection to, to nature, right?

You'll find God when you accept that you are part of nature and you try to understand nature, you, you will find God. You know, if, if you search that. But it's enough to be in, in harmony with, with, with nature, you know? Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. We really appreciate your time.

Anytime you need me, I'm coming for a second dance. Cool. Yeah. We'll let you know. Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thank you. What did you learn, Lauren? What were the highlights? I learned a lot. Um, he's got a lot of energy. I struggled to follow here and there, but the main like concepts that I got out is again, that focus on we're all different and we need like that, that one on one individual specific person centered, like, again, he met the one person that doesn't mean that one person would like, yeah, everyone else.

And so I like that. And I also like the way he framing that interaction as a dance. And I, I think like the more you think about it, like a dance was, if you watch, it's just like a smooth, cohesive, like interaction, I guess. I don't know how to explain it. And so I, I like that terminology of dance with someone, um, not try to.

I don't know how, like, I don't know how to explain what I'm trying to explain, but I just, I really liked that the dancing was so funny. Like, I'm not trying to teach you something. I'm not trying to do this. I'm just, I'm just with you and with that interaction. Um, I think the system relevance, um, the system as a whole.

And I think, I mean, Because we have the system is why we have to talk about these things. There wasn't a system. People could just be, uh, you know, happy, go lucky, whatever. But we created a system. Like we put ourselves in boxes. We, again, the education system, it's a system designed for us to go to work and to be worker bees, essentially.

Like, and so moving away from the system and again, focusing on that one on one. Um, I think it, and so like generalization, so like one example that kind of came to mind is like doctors, like, Oh, we only start mammograms when women reach their forties. Well, women are their own person, they all have different things like why do I have to wait till I'm 40, like why, like you have to fight for it to get it sooner.

And so that's just like one example, like popped in my head is like every, like, why can't we just get what we need for us? Versus always being put in a box and generalized and things like that. Um, so that, and then again, don't try like, Oh, you don't have reads. I'm going to really help and focus on reading, reading, reading.

So you fit in the system. No, I suck at reading. I suck at writing, but I'm really good artists. So let's focus on that. Let's what can we do with that? And again, building off your strengths and, you know, as a parent, but not like you said, Really focusing and building on the strengths and not trying to focus in too much energy in what they can't do.

Um, yes, there are some things that like we do need to do, but like at the end of the day, you, do you really have to be at a 12th grade reading level right now, or can we really focus on the things that you're really good at, that you enjoy, that make you happy, that make you who you are. Um, yeah. So. Those are kind of the big picture concepts I got out of that.

I love it. I like that you talked about finding your strengths and focusing on the individual. Definitely the school system is a system and it's very hard when you don't fit in that system. And I, When I was younger, I did fit into that system and now having kids that don't fit into it, like I thrived in that system and I have one kid that does and one kid that doesn't and so just having to navigate it.

And help him. It's just very difficult, you know, because they have stuff that you have to do and criteria you have to meet. And when he doesn't meet that, he knows he's not meeting it. And he hates school now because. He doesn't fit in the system. He doesn't fit in the system, and he feels ashamed that he's not like everybody else.

And so we're looking at other school options right now. Like a different system. Yeah, to find a different way to, you know, teach him, and I want him to learn, but maybe going to school every day for seven hours, that's not it. It's his love of learning. He used to love learning and he loves the books and all of that.

And he loves learning new things and he can remember facts that he learns. But just the school system is just not for him and I am having a hard time with that. I think again in general like this is so like he said like some people are super productive from 3 p. m. To midnight and like that would be a preferable work schedule some people 4 a.

m. To noon like I know there's like a three hour window in my life where I'm like super productive and that it's Out the window, but you know, we have to be at the job 8 hours a day, like literally side to side. Um, yeah, but I think that, and then, um, what was I gonna say? Uh, I like that he kind of was like, when you, when you ask, you know what, When parents say, how do I help my child and really asking, well, what is help?

What are you actually trying to help them with? Are you trying to help them fit into the system? Are you trying to help them be their best person? Are you trying to help them work on their strengths? I think you, as a parent, I think you really have to ask yourself, like, What is it specifically, exactly, am I trying to help my child with?

Yeah. Um, and is it one on one, person centered, or are you just trying to help them fit into the life system that we all just kind of work around in? Yeah. And I know there are things to help kids with dyslexia to help them, like, read better, and you can't cure dyslexia, but, Like, my son did visual processing, it was vision therapy, and that helped him so much.

He still doesn't love reading, but that at least helped him to be able to read. Um, that's, I was gonna say, technology, I like, I like how he said that the AI shouldn't be doing things for you, it should be for you. helping you to do it yourself or like just kind of an extension of yourself. So again, like, do I really need to be a 12th grade reader when I have audio books and like, everything can be text voice, um, the technology is out there.

Like I have lots of great thoughts in my head, but I can't write them and spelling's terrible and whatever. And. Again, record that. And again, there's voice to text. And so really utilizing the technology that is out there, um, as like an extension to yourself, um, can be really helpful. Yeah. Yeah. I know some people when they were in high school, you know, you have to get like accelerated reader points.

I don't know if that's a thing anymore, but you had to like read a book and take a test and get points on it. And you had to get so many points per semester or. You were docked in your grades. And I know people that weren't fast readers and they were so busy doing their homework that they didn't have time to read outside of that time that they were doing their homework just to stay up with the class.

And so they had people read to them or they listened to audio books and then they took the test. But the teachers were like, you're not allowed to do that. I'm like, why, why, why you are still getting the information. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so, um, and their parents were like, I don't really care. Just don't tell your teacher that you like, listen to the book instead of physically read the book, you know, because you're still getting the information.

You're still doing everything you need to do. You're just not physically reading because you can't. Yeah. Well, and then the thing, if everyone's taking the same test and you still passed, the, the point of anything is, did you comprehend what you heard, read, did, whatever. And if you can prove that, what difference does it make how I got to that comprehension?

Yes. Like, why, why do the, like, why do I have to do it the same way if I get the same end results? Yeah. So again, that focus on that one to one. Yes. And not generalization of everybody needs to do this. Mm hmm. Yeah. I love it. Well, if you all enjoyed the episode today, let us know, let us know what you thought.

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