38 - Nolan Archer and Neurodivergent Communication 15/04/24

Here's what to expect on the podcast:

• Some common barriers to effective communication and how can they be overcome.

• Communication strategies that are effective for neurodivergent individuals.

• Examples of situations where neurodivergent people see things differently than neurotypical people do.

• Criteria that individuals should consider when searching for therapists.

• And much more!

About Nolan:

Nolan Archer has been diagnosed with Autism and ADHD. He says he is a motivator for others, but his kids call him Dad.

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TRANSCRIPTION

This podcast is for parents like you, navigating the world of neurodiversity with love and compassion. I'm a neurodivergent mother of three amazing neurodivergent children and a board certified music therapist. Our mission is to create a supportive space where you feel understood, connected, and inspired.

With practical tips, strategies, and resources, we'll help you and your child thrive in your unique way. Join us as we dive deep into the diverse world of neurodivergent individuals exploring topics like ADHD, autism, dyslexia, sensory processing challenges, and more. We'll cover it all to empower, educate, and uplift both neurodivergent individuals and those who walk alongside them.

Together we'll create a world where every brain is valued and celebrated. We're excited to embark on this enlightening journey with you. We are your hosts, Samantha Foote and Lauren Ross, and this is the Every Brain is Different podcast.

Welcome to the Every Brain is Different podcast. We're here with Nolan Archer and Nolan is a motivator of others, but his kids call him dad. Hi Nolan, welcome to the 

show. Hey guys, how are you doing 

today? Good. How are you? 

Oh, it's just another day in paradise. I'm awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I started recording and banking a lot of, uh, podcasts or conversations with me this week.

So it's been so exciting to be back. You know, there are 20 people that lined up to interview and that's all it is. It's just conversations. Uh, so I'm just excited to be here and talk to you guys and just talk a lot. Cause that's what I do. 

Yeah. Awesome. Can you tell us a little bit neurodivergent community?

Um, yeah, you know, so I guess my entire life I knew it was different. Um, and I was attributed to undiagnosed ADHD. And as an adult, uh, I guess in my early twenties, I finally went in and got those resources. So got tested for ADD or ADHD cause it's not ADD anymore. Um, and that came back past that flying colors have, and then it wasn't until my thirties or this, this last year that I found out I was autistic as well.

Um, On the Asperger's side, and I don't even have my official diagnosis yet. So that was with my therapist. And now I'm on a waiting list for two and a half years to get in, to get that official diagnosis, just because there's such a lack of resources out there. So that's my experience and living with it.

That being said, like, I've got a very high emotional intelligence, so I've been able to just kind of wade my way through life and which is why it remained hidden. And like, I'm not just into trains, not to put that trope or put that thing on people with autism, but if you've got ADHD and autism, there's a high probability you don't just have a thing you fixate on, you just fixate deeply on a lot of things and then, Oh squirrel.

And you know, it, it changes. So now I'm just trying to kind of spread the word and not necessarily make content geared towards that, but content from someone that is the head. To the world. How can I, how can I show you my world a little bit differently? How can I have those conversations a little bit differently?

How can I explain the situation from my point of view? Because I seem to see things differently and it's just, I don't know, it's exciting and it's a learning process. So we're just kind of in the infancy still. 

Yeah. So can you give us some examples of things that you see differently maybe than others?

Uh, Sure, the one that comes to mind off the top of my head is, it's going to sound horrible and I'm not trying to be sexist, but when you, when you hear, uh, like my daughter will never say anything a boy can do, I can do just because a boy can do and vice versa, like you, when people say those things, it's like, yeah, you're pumping yourself up, but you're also putting down the other person.

And so like you have to be conscientious of how you say things and the impact you're portraying outwardly. Um, so that, that'd be one. The other one is like, so I guess people were, were very justice oriented, I guess. So when you see things or injustices happen, you become very passionate on it and fixated on it.

And then when you feel like an injustice is happening to you, you feel it deeper and you just kind of go into the spiral and it can be hard to separate yourself, detach yourself. And, you know, go, well, that's not just me. That's not just happening to me. I may be oversensitive to this, or I may be thinking about this wrong or, you know, things happen.

You have to detach yourself a little bit. So I guess those would be like the main ones that seem to clear up from, from my life. So now how can I, uh, be conscientious of that and share it? 

Yeah. Um, I'd like to talk a little bit more about the, you know, justice piece. I've noticed that in my own life, that if.

Somebody does something to me, like my instant reaction is to just make them feel that same way. And I hate it because, but that's just how, like, I don't do that. Cause I don't like, I don't like doing that. But like, let's say my husband, I perceive that my husband is ignoring me. I'm like, well, I'm going to ignore him now.

And he doesn't even realize that I'm ignoring him. He's just like thinking I'm going on about my day. So, um, do you like, how do you get past that feeling of, you know, needing to have justice or how do you live with that kind of, what are some strategies that you use? 

Well, I guess, so I, I got lucky and I don't, not everyone will have this, but like I met my wife in high school.

So we're high school sweethearts. Um, and like, we just, but they like 15, 16 years now, whatever. Math. And. So to start off with, it was just a lot of fights. It was a lot of fights and I was just like this bitter person outwardly, but internally I didn't feel like I was this grumpy person. I didn't feel like I was that.

So it took opening up and having a lot of awkward, hard conversations where I had to eat crow because I was in the wrong or like me in that situation where, you know, she did something that I perceive as something against me. I have to go to her and be like, Hey, this piss, this made me angry. And I'm like, I'm coming at her like, ah, like rah, rah, rah.

And then she's like, yeah, no, that's not, this is what happened from my point of view. This is my truth. And you have to, A, kind of have those conversations. That's a good start. And if you can't have those conversations, so say it's something where you had, they had to step away. You had to step away. You're not around them all the time.

It's something online. Like the big, my best strategy is just focusing on making other people happy, focusing on the people in my life, their needs. And then I'll find that my, my anger or stress or whatever I'm feeling at the time just kind of fades away or melts away. Whereas alternatively, if you fixate on that thing, you become it.

Like you just become that and like outwardly. And that's, that's where in my twenties, I may have appeared like a harsh minded or like, uh, overly critical maybe, or, and to me internally, I'm not. But nobody knows your internal monologue and every person you meet gets a different version of, like, you have to be, you have to remember that, like, you have to remember that, oh, they don't know my backstory, oh, they don't know where I'm coming from.

And so it's just being cognizant of that. 

I love that because you just don't know what the other person is perceiving from what you're doing. So, this is just another example of me and my husband, we're both neuro spicy, so it's fun times, and we don't understand each other, and every time I would say, we need to do this, or, you know, like, we need to do this better, or we need to get this done, he would perceive it as Me telling him, you're not good enough.

You're not doing what I want you to do. You're just a terrible person and can't do anything right. Yeah. Yeah. And so, I think we've had to have those conversations. Like you said, like, I just had to sit down with him and be like, When I say this, I am literally meaning we. Like, we need to do this better or we need to get this done.

I'm not saying you need to go do this. I, you know, stuff like that. 

Yeah, and that's where I think it's really, really important to, uh, in the last trip out, there's the ADHD park. But like, just having those conversations slower, right? Like, just to not be reactive. Because you don't know. 

That's, I was gonna chime in on that, is the importance of having, just being able to communicate with each other.

Is, is so key so that you guys can express this is what I truly meant and, and having that open mind and not being defensive and Taking a step back and really processing and then coming back together and having, having conversations. And, and I do that with my boyfriend who also has ADHD and I have to kind of, sometimes I just want to be mad at him and I have to remember, I'm like, okay, he's not purposely doing these things, like, it's part of this diagnosis and he doesn't mean it anyway, and he doesn't acknowledge it, so I need to be the one that's the bigger person and step up and be like, hey.

When you did this, it hurt my feelings. Can we talk about it? I know you didn't mean to, but I just think being able to communicate is so important. Um, especially with Sometimes the worst, when you're the one at 

fault. 

Yeah, exactly. 

That's when it's most important. It's like, damn it, oh, this is my fault. 

And being afraid to admit that it's your fault or that you were in the wrong, and I think that's just so hard for everybody everywhere to admit All the time.

When they messed up and, and so It's so important to be able to swallow your pride and ego and be like, yeah, this, this is not me. I'm sorry. Um, and so that's important, I think. 

No, a hundred percent agree. And like, I, I guess I've taken like those, uh, predictive index profile tests or whatever, so I'm, I'm a maverick on there.

And one of the, one of the top things for a maverick is being undaunted by failure. And it's like, yeah, but that's not by choice. I just fail a lot. So I, I just think that's a funny characteristic that goes with that profile. It's like, yeah, I guess I am not daunted by failure. I'm going to keep trying that.

That's the important thing is to keep trying and being open and communicative. If you're not, you're just going to be alone and bitter and you will become the things you are perceiving happening to you. So if all you are doing is looking for people that are, uh, you know, crossing you in some way, then all of a sudden that's all you'll see.

It's like, that's your focus. That's all you'll see. You're wiring your brain to look for that because it's a perceived threat. And especially if you're neurodivergent, because then you're extra sensitive to perceived threats. 

Yeah, if you think, it's a rejection sensitivity dysphoria that comes in. Um, that if you think people are rejecting you, then that's all you're going to see, and you're just going to think that all the time.

Where if you train your brain, and you really do have to train your brain to think, no, the, like, what is the evidence that. They're rejecting me, you know, like they're coming up and talking to me and they're laughing with me so that obviously they're not thinking in their head, like, Oh, you're, you're dumb.

You're stupid. Like, why am I talking to you? You know? So I think just looking for that evidence too, that what is fact and what is, what is your just perceived thoughts? Um, yeah. And I think we can do that with our kids too. I was going to bring that up, that we need to remember that we can do this with our kids and we, when we mess up, we need to apologize.

And when we take something that they say, I know with my kids, they say, they're very literal. Sometimes they don't understand what things mean. And so they'll say something and I'm like, that was really rude. And they're like, Oh, I didn't know that. Like, what does that actually mean? Cause they're just saying things that they hear, but they don't actually understand what they're saying sometimes.

Yeah, a hundred percent. Uh, so with the kids, my, my middle child is my mini me. And so we just fight all the time. And I brought back child abuse. That's a joke. I did not guys. Uh, but like, we're just at each other all the time. And like, we're arguing over the sake of arguing. And my wife will walk into the room, look at us and be like, what are you guys even talking about?

We'll look at each other and be like, Oh yeah, no, I can't remember either. And it's like, it's just, you get into these rabbit holes to the state. So as positive as I am, and as much as I work on myself, like it still happens to this day all the time. So it's a constant thing. And then I have to look at Bramley Hey, yeah, I was in the wrong there.

I shouldn't have been engaging. You are also just worked up. Your anxiety was high and like your anxiety being high caused my, uh, fight or flight or whatever it may be to then be triggered thinking something's wrong. And then I'm like yelling back, what's wrong? And then like, you just end up in these like stalemates.

And if you're not thinking about it, that can just be your life. So how many people do we know that are just like that all the time and they never back off? And it's like, I feel bad now at this point. Because you also just want to put your hand on their chest and be like, it's okay. Like just, just breathe for a second, like take a step back and try to look at your situation from 30, 000 feet.

Because oftentimes you're fighting over silly things and it's just love and now you're yelling over love. And it's like, probably not the message you're trying to send, but 

Yeah, for sure. And you brought up a good thing, um, you know, saying like, what's wrong or what's going on. And just keep in mind that for some types of neurodivergence, I'm thinking about pathological demand avoidance or PDA.

Um, just asking a question to people who have that can, they can perceive that as a threat. So they will go into fight or flight just by you asking like, how are you doing? Or what's wrong with you? And so I think just remembering that and maybe phrasing things a little bit different or not getting on them so much when they don't answer you.

Because I know my son. My oldest son, I'll be like, what's wrong with you? And he'll be like, and like, not talk to me and just sit down and just be angry. And I'm like, I am trying to help you, but in his mind, he is in fight or flight right now because I made a demand on him. Like asking him that question was a demand.

And I just, I tried to think about that and try to rephrase my language, but it is so hard because I don't think I'm demanding anything of him. I don't think I'm placing any sort of stress on him, but for him, it's super stressful. So yeah, just being aware of who you're talking to. Like you said before, like thinking about what makes them happy.

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I was, uh, momentarily a top voice on LinkedIn, which I had the little badge for emotional intelligence.

But I was answering, and this was before I knew I was autistic. I was answering everything super autistically, for lack of better terms. Like, it was just very literal. I'm like, here's this thing, this is how you do it. Be subservient as a leader, do whatever. But one of the things I learned because of all, I just, I love learning about emotional intelligence.

I love learning about other people, uh, and their stories, hence conversations with me. But one of the biggest things I learned was don't ask people what, don't ask, don't put them on the defensive by saying what or why, like, just be like, if you want to understand something they're doing, be like, Hey, I, you know, I'm having a really hard time, like, I can't see through this.

Can you help me understand like how it is you're doing this process? You know, just asking it differently, phrasing it differently. It's the same question, but you're now being the one that's needing help instead of putting them on the defense. They're going to be like, Oh yeah, let me get in there and help you with that.

That flip alone in my brain with the relationships with my kids and wives, it was a game changer because I'm very inquisitive in nature. So I ask why for everything. So to everyone around me, I'm just grilling them. I'm not trying to, but before I was just grilling everybody, but now. By being conscientious, how you're saying those things, it has definitely improved my life, quality of life, for sure.

I love that. That is genius. Like, can you help me understand? Can you help me? Cause yes, I love that. Thank you so much for saying that. 

It's just like such a, like a little, it's a little flip, but it's the same thing. 

Yeah. And it's a small one. It's a small one. I'm already like plotting on implementing that in my new trainings.

Thank you. 

I love it myself, yeah. 

Yeah, that's fantastic. Um, we talked about in our pre interview how you, how you um, thought that you had autism. Can you tell us a little bit more about how you came to that diagnosis? 

Well, so like, my, my entire career has been like in the enterprise space, so first transportation and then like enterprise software.

And like I've always just had like little hiccups. I'm always very high performing, outgoing, but if I If something's, uh, arbitrary or something's not, like, or something is ambiguous, I should say, um, I, nine times out of ten, go the opposite way of FHINET. I go the very literal way, and I'm like, well, no, this is what you said to do, and this is what I did.

I don't understand the problem. I sunk 40 hours into it. This is great. And it's like, I went the complete wrong way. So I've had those misunderstandings my entire career. And I just thought it was ADHD. And then I ended up going and speaking to a therapist cause I was having, you know, I ended up about last year, I had cancer and I won cause I'm awesome.

Um, and I lost my father and then I quit drinking and became sober, you know, beat the generational thing. So I've done a lot of things going into this. So then I was talking to my therapist and I inadvertently made some kind of joke. And I'm like, I must be autistic or something. And she's like, yeah, let's talk about that.

And it's like, we just kind of expanded on that and went down that rabbit hole. But what led to it was just a series of misunderstandings. I felt like I've always had to explain myself. And then when I do things or tell people something, I throw facts in them. And I just thought that's how everyone talked.

And like, I love Bob more or less quite a bit, or, you know, have a lot of those fringe symptoms, but then I have all of the fringe symptoms it seems. And it's like, well, what? Okay. I don't understand here. I'm missing something. I'm not quite understanding some part of a picture. I'm not, I can't put myself in their shoes with what's happening here.

So, basically, just misunderstandings. 

I can, I can see how that could happen. Because I know a lot of people who are autistic are like, I don't understand what is happening right now. Like you said, like, you're very literal. A lot of autistic people are very literal. And then people are saying things that aren't meant to be literal.

And then you just, you don't understand it. You're wrong about that. 

Or like, so even in, so for young listeners who are listening, like in high school, I ate lunch a lot. I sat in the library and read books and I didn't have a place. I have a really hard time maintaining friend relationships and like that's just been my entire life.

Well, it's nice to now know why. And it's not that there was a place for me before. I don't know. I never tried. Um. But, I have found my place now, I have found my people now, I mean, I've gotten to meet some just incredible people, just the podcasting thing, be a creator. It's about finding where you belong, and it will be, it's a when, it's a when, you will find those people, so just stick it out, like you have to.

Yeah, I was the same way in high school, I had a bunch of, I had a bunch of friend groups, but I never really fit in one group, like, I would hang out with everybody at school, and then at group, like, church things. But I wouldn't do like one on one things with people. And I always, I didn't even realize that people did that until I heard my friends talking about it.

And I was like, Whoa, you guys get together, like outside of all these groups stuff, like, why don't you invite me? And they're like, Oh, you live in the country. So you're far away. I'm like, 

right in the fields. 

Yeah. So I learned. So I just started planning group things and I would be like the person that invited all everyone to everything because I didn't want anyone to feel left out.

So I just had all my groups of friends like come together, but, um, but yeah, I never, one on one things, except maybe like with Lauren, they freaked me out and I just, I don't do well with them. So I invite large groups to everything. It's 

like, what do you do when the conversation stalls? 

I'm not sure. 

I've, I have studied so much, uh, just honestly, small talk, watching videos on small talk because of that anxiety of what do you do when you're alone with that one person?

It's like, Oh, I don't, I just want to sit here, leave me alone. 

Yeah. Yeah. It's important to, to find that friend that you can sit in silence and that there doesn't have to be a conversation. And I think those are the best kind of relationships. Like, I don't need you to make small talk, just being in your presence is enough for me.

So yeah, a 

hundred percent. To 

that 

point, like, you know, when you go through the series of tests for your autism diagnosis, one of them is a masking test and so much you mask just your, what you actually want to do, right? So like I, I scored like fairly high, like I'm a high masker out in the wild. And then I reframed my thought and I took it again at home by myself, but thinking of what I am in my household with my wife and I scored a 33.

So I'm below, like, even. I'm half of what the average person is, and that's non direct typical with my wife. I'm completely unmasked with her. So when we're in public, she gets a husband wand or whatever wand, and when we're at home, it's like a whole different person. It's like, I'm sorry for the whiplash, but this is the reason why I feel comfortable with you and I can just be weird.

I love that. Um, yeah, cause that's important that you have someone that you can like unmask with, you know? So, yeah. Um, so we're nearing the end of our time. What would you say to parents who are raising neurodivergent kids? Like if you could give them strategies, what would be some strategies that you would give them to in raising their neurodivergent kids?

Uh, I made a short, uh, a while ago and it really covers this. Um, I talk about myself, but I'm saying like, I have autism, but I'm not autistic. I have ADHD, but that's not me. So like, share that with them. Um, what they have and go through some of those exercises, but don't let them put them. Don't put them in that box.

Don't limit them. Don't be like, this is who you are and this should be your identity because it's not their identity. They are them. Let your kid just figure out who they are. That can be weird. Let them, whatever. And like, but don't. isolate them, don't neck them down into something because then if they think that there's a limit to what they can do, there will be.

You'll, you'll self impose a limit inadvertently and you'll do it with the most love and caring gestures you can, but that's what you're doing. You're locking them down. So like you almost have to pull back the reins and let them take charge a little bit, I would say. Um, cause I don't know what I would have done if I found out I had it as a child.

I think that would have really, I would have identified as, and I would have been like, well, this is who I am. This is all I can be, whatever that means, but growing up in the nineties, early 2000s, there would, would have been no resources for me to go see other creators or go see whoever else in, it wouldn't have been good per se.

In today's day and age, there's resources. Go, there's a dozen plus like big time, uh, YouTube creators that talk about autism. I won't call anybody out, but like, you can go see that you can go find a million different websites and especially for kids. So many different resources, but you have to look and you have to be conscientious of it.

I love that. It's so important to, I think it's important for them to know that they have it, but not let it define them. Just like you said, like there's this really cool commercial out. That's right out right now about, um, this girl with down syndrome. And she's like, you think I can't do this, so you don't even let me try.

You think I can't do this, so you don't even offer it to me. And I think. That is such a cool thing to like, give them all the opportunities, but support them where they need support. 

Exactly. And it's like, so I keep seeing, uh, I guess I am calling it on Tom, Tom's family. He's a great autism creator. Uh, but he talks a lot about, um, Dave Moss, which I thought is they did she again.

So support them again. Well, he talks about people putting them in boxes. Oh, if I know one person that has autism, every single person that has autism acts that way is that way. It's like, no, weirdly enough, each person neurodivergent or not is their own person. Sounds as if you have to get to know everybody first before you add.

It's like, that's just everybody that, that's not just neurodivergent people. Everyone has their own emotional needs. Everyone has their own creature comforts. That's just across the board. I feel like as a society, we, it's so easy to be like, oh, well, let's say the R word or, oh, that's autistic or whatever else.

And it's like, that's a trope. You, you, it's a cobble, you're not even taking the time to try to understand what's going on. Not that you have to, if you don't want to understand it, walk away. You start to comment on it either. Yeah. 

Yeah, that's awesome. I love it. Um, so do you have other resources that you recommend to parents?

And where can people find you if they want to learn more 

so you can find me on youtube conversations with me Um youtube and tiktok are my primary things. I've got a facebook page, but I think i'm the only follower there um and like yeah, yeah just for other resources the reason I didn't want to call out specific creators is because There's such a wide range right now, today, honestly, my first stop would be YouTube.

Find the creator that's got, you know, a big following that makes content geared towards that, uh. There's one, uh, gal who was an adult and found out in her thirties. And so she's going through her experience that way. I mean, she's got like 150, 000 subscribers straight in, but like all of her unique experiences, like, Oh crap, I did that.

Oh, that I, oops, that was me too. So you just find that person that you jive with, find that person that, that is similar enough to your child. Because obviously, once again, everyone's their own person, but find those creators that are like, Oh wait, that's what he does. That's how he does that. Perfect. You can create those groups and create your own resources that way.

Oh, my. It's too, there's too much resources out there. So I don't have a good way of pointing that out. And then personally, like I have a therapist that happened to specialize in it, and then I made a joke that was poorly timed and, uh, probably a joke I shouldn't have made. And she's like, yeah, no, I think you do.

Let's expand on that. It's like, oh, wait, what? So just getting a person or finding some examples. Like, so for me, it was the therapist first, and then it was going and just researching myself on YouTube specifically. Google, there was just too much, too much on Google. 

There is a lot on Google. I appreciate you saying that.

Definitely. Um, follow you on Tik TOK and YouTube. I've been watching your videos. Good stuff. And one in six is 

hilarious. 

Yeah. Okay, cool. Um, yeah, well, we thank you for coming on today. We really appreciate your time. Yes.

Well, he's awesome. I like that thing of he spreads positivity and motivator of others. So when I asked him how he wanted to be introduced and he just said motivator of others and my kids call me dad, I was like, that's it. But that's totally how you describe him. He definitely motivates people. I love it for sure.

And I love what he said about, yeah. Uh, I love what he said about rephrasing things with, especially with PDA. So you're like, can you help me understand? And if they say no, like that's a yes or no question, you know, so they can say no. And then you're like, okay, so I'm not going to ask you any more questions.

You said no. 

Yeah. I definitely think it, it helps when you can kind of put the, put it on, on you. And when you're saying like, Hey, I'm not the one understanding this. Can you help me? Whatever. And I think, I think that takes a lot of the pressure off the other person. Um, and so. I, I think being able to rephrase questions and things like that is such a fantastic idea.

And it is so simple if you think about it. Yeah. For sure. The benefits of that are fantastic. Um, and then I also kind of wanted to go a little bit, you know, uh, when he's talking about looking up resources and like content creators and, um, I have a love hate relationship with social media, but I think one of the great things that social media and influencers and the things that you can get out of YouTube riddles is.

Is you have access to people who have the same things and it really shows that you are not alone and you can learn from others and their experiences and not just whatever the doctor or that therapist is telling you. And I think that's so beneficial to have access to people across the globe who are dealing with the same things and have the same struggles and how they're handling it and whatever that might be and I think that's really beneficial for a lot of people.

Um, especially if they maybe don't have access to, uh, professional resources per se. And so I think that, um, looking for, for content creators that do have the same stuff that you do is actually a really great idea. So. 

Yeah, I think that's a super important thing. I know that. Just from watching TikTok videos, because I always thought I had ADHD, but I was like, no doctor will test me for it.

So obviously I must not have it. But then after watching the TikTok videos, I'm like, no, all these other people are saying they have ADHD and they're doing the exact same thing as me. So, then that's when I finally was like pushing for it and not just accepting being told no. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Well, let us, or did you have something else to say?

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