35 - Abigail Gizinski and Getting Organized 25/03/24

Here's what to expect on the podcast:

• What are some tailored strategies for the neurodivergent community to improve their organizational skills?

• Disorganization impacts individuals' daily lives and overall well-being

• Practical ways to involve your family in maintaining organization within the household

• Questions to typically ask yourself when organizing to determine what to keep and what to let go of

• And much more!

About Abigail:

Abi has been organizing and decluttering for over six years. She is an Idaho native from a large family and recently married to the man of her dreams.

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TRAMSCRIPTION

This podcast is for parents like you, navigating the world of neurodiversity with love and compassion. I'm a neurodivergent mother of three amazing neurodivergent children and a board certified music therapist. Our mission is to create a supportive space where you feel understood, connected, and inspired.

With practical tips, strategies, and resources, we'll help you and your child thrive in your unique way. Join us as we dive deep into the diverse world of neurodivergent individuals exploring topics like ADHD, autism, dyslexia, sensory processing challenges, and more. We'll cover it all to empower, educate, and uplift both neurodivergent individuals and those who walk alongside them.

Together we'll create a world where every brain is valued and celebrated. We're excited to embark on this enlightening journey with you. We are your host, Samantha Fuh and Lauren Ross, and this is the Every Brain is Different podcast.

Welcome to the Every Brain is Different podcast. We're here with Abby Kaczynski and she has been organizing and decluttering for over six years. She's an Idaho native from a large family and recently married the man of her dreams. Abby, we are so excited to have you on the show. Welcome. Thank you so much.

I'm so grateful to be here. Yeah, we're super excited. Um, I know I, for one have a lot of trouble organizing. You've seen my house, you know, and, um, so I'm excited to hear your strategies for the neurodivergent community, but can you tell us a little bit more how you're involved in the neurodivergent community?

Yes. So I, I try to help in absolutely any way I can. And so my clients have been all across the board. So I have just really been trying to jump in and better understand, better help and being able to have the tools to be able to help people in any situation, especially in this and just making it so there is hope that there is, there's opportunity to get a space that they absolutely love.

So, yeah. 

Yeah, I know that's super important that, um, when you feel good in your home, you feel good in your brain. Yes. So, and I know when I have a clean home or when I have an organized home, I feel better. I don't feel as stressed out, but it's getting the home organized that is, you know, stressful. And so then I don't do it.

Can you tell us a little bit about your journey to becoming an organizer? A professional organizer, as you say. 

Thank 

you. 

Uh, so I have loved to organize ever since I was a little, I would crawl around the floor like a, cause I thought I could do a better job than a vacuum. So I'd pick up little stuff and random things.

And I used to design my own little bedroom when I was little. And okay, it'd be make more sense for my dresser to be over here, for my toys to be here. And I just started living like that or kept living like that. And So throughout my life, at any job I was at, it just kept coming out again, like, wow, I really do like to organize.

And then my dad saw that when I was his office manager, he was like, wow, you really have something going here because he's been an entrepreneur for a very long time. And so he, you know, just. Um, kept encouraging me and just kind of, you know, planting the seeds. And then eventually after my life had completely fallen apart, uh, thousands of dollars in debt, an ex boyfriend, I, you know, want to end my life.

Like just an awful season, I was finally putting my life together. And I realized like, okay, I'm like being human again. And that voice in the back of my mind kept coming up, but I saw, I saw what a beautiful situation was that my parents had built their dreams. With what they were passionate about and, you know, they have a Lego Lodge in Alaska and I was like, oh, this is so cool.

I wanted, I want to help people with what I'm passionate about. And then I'm like, oh, that's right. My dad did mention you could start your own business doing what you love and what you're passionate about. So I started my own business, uh, January 2018. Started to do just that to help people with the passion that I have and the talents that I have to give people hope.

That's 

awesome. I love it. Thank you. Um, what strategies do you have for people in organizing? 

Yes. 

Where do I start? 

I need all of them. I'm here for this. 

Yeah. Okay. Well, one of the big ones that I like to start with is called the power of one. We all have seen in our lives, whether personally or history or in movies, how much one person has impacted ourselves or You know, sad situations like the Holocaust with Hitler with how much he impacted with just one person you think, Oh, one doesn't matter, but it actually does it makes a huge difference.

So I like to say the power of one, you start with one space. You choose one shelf, one drawer, one area, and you focus on that. And then you, again, still with the power of one, then you start with one item at a time. And you might think, oh my gosh, my whole house is a wreck or my whole life is a wreck, right?

Whatever it may be. But you start with one and you think, okay, with this piece of paper, With this shirt, with this bag of rice, like, do I need it in my life? Like you kind of go through the list of questions that I, I either do when I work with people or it's, I have a free document online. But you start to question and ask yourself, why am I keeping this?

What am I doing with this? Because what surrounds you does impact you. It doesn't define you, but it does impact you. So that's one of the biggest things that I talk about is the power of one living with less stuff. And. Choosing your, your mental, um, state to know that you can do it.

Can you talk a little bit about the mental state? Cause I know I collect things and then it's really hard for me to get rid of those things, even if I don't use them anymore, I'm like, but I might use them or it has sentimental value, but. Everything can't have sentimental value. You have to get rid of 

stuff.

It's like an irrational attachment to something. 

It's like, it's hard. Oh yeah, absolutely. Well, and that's why when I encourage people to start with the power of one. You then are putting yourself in, not as the victim, but as the one that gets to choose and to decide what you're going to do with that item instead of like, Oh my gosh, the whole house, like, let's just make a decision on this one item.

So when it comes to the mental side of it, what we go through with stuff, again, What surrounds us does impact us. So we think like, Oh no, it's just stuff. It doesn't matter. Okay, well go in your closet and get rid of absolutely everything. And then you tell me if that was easy or not, or if it was like, Oh my gosh, I couldn't, there's no way I couldn't.

I couldn't get rid of every single thing in my closet because there's a couple things. Sometimes it's a mental difficulty to let go of something because of something that's happened in the past. and we don't want to let go of that item because we feel like we might let go of that experience or that person.

Sometimes we don't want to get rid of something because of fear in the future. This might happen. Something might come, you know, what if, right? All those things come into play. So when you're going through those items and decluttering, that's why it's so powerful and healthy to go through and Make that decision on one on each item because then you get to decide okay Am I keeping this because of a great, you know momentous thing that happened?

Well, yes Okay, do you have to keep 50 of those items for that one experience or you know for all the fun things that have happened? It starts to let you get in the driver's seat and for you to decide like, okay, I love, you know, I love these sentimental items or these collections, but do I need all of it in my space, taking up the mental load, taking up, I have to, I have to organize it, I have to, you know, file it or hold it, like, It's taken up physical space.

So then you just get to start asking yourself, is this worth it? It might still be worth it. And that, you know, again, that's totally up to the individual, but the mental load that we go through, sometimes people don't want to get rid of stuff because they are choosing to let it define them. I have all these things.

And if I get rid of them, I'm not as cool. I'm not as wealthy. I'm not as. Um, you know, some people don't want to have an empty pantry because they think back in the day with their parents, they, they didn't have enough money to quote unquote, keep the fridge full or the pantry. And then they think, Oh my gosh, an empty pantry equals, I don't have enough.

So it's like a lack that they're trying to make up. So going through those steps to like, let yourself evaluate why you're hanging on to it. Well, it's just a fundamental item. Okay, well, let's tear that apart. Let's, let's kind of let ourselves evaluate it because often it's easy to just keep an item out of guilt of like, oh, it was given to me by my mom's grandma.

There's no way I could get rid of it. Why is it because your grandma might be offended you got rid of something that no longer serves you? Like, is that really a healthy relationship to have her control what's going to be in your life? Like, you know, so that, um, that mental process is one of the most difficult processes when it comes to organizing into cluttering.

Cause It'd be nice like, oh yeah, just grab a bunch of baskets and lazy Susans and you organize and you're good. Like, no, because that stuff is there for a reason. Like it didn't have its own leg. That stuff came into the home or the space because we brought it in or the family did or whatever. So we get to choose what is going to be surrounding us by allowing ourselves to not be guilty about the stuff, but allow ourselves to be like, It's okay with where I'm at, but I don't want to stay where I'm at.

So, giving ourselves grace is the process of the mental side. 

Yeah, I think neurodivergent people have to do that a lot, and people in general. But, um, just giving yourself grace in all areas. So, You know, you might not excel in one area and just give yourself grace in that, that it's okay. You can find help.

There's people like you to help us organize. And, um, something that I like to do when I'm like getting rid of stuff. And you can tell me your thoughts on this. I. And I'm always like, if I was moving, would I take this to a new living space? Would I move it with me? 

I love 

that. Is that a 

good thing to do?

That is, that's actually a really good question to ask yourself because then again, it, it allows your mind to be put in the driver's seat instead of just, I mean, sometimes we are kind of on, well, often we're on autopilot, just like, Oh yeah, I'll keep that. No, like not even letting ourselves. Think about it.

So that's a great way to think like, Oh, would I actually want this in a, in a different house? Would I move? Which is awesome. And then you can go another level deeper. Do I want it to impact my space right now? Like do I, do I like seeing it? Like do I enjoy seeing it? And I often see people say, Oh my gosh, I don't like this stuff around me, but they don't just pause and start making those choices to let that stuff go.

So when they're visually seeing the space. Mentally, they're like, ah, and not that it would have to be perfectly organized, but even just like, oh, there's a picture on the wall. Oh, it's just like I just feel you and gross when I see it. I don't know why. But like, let's not keep items like that, you know? So you just go another level deeper of like, well, even before I move, you know, before I was to move, do I really want to put all this stuff in the box and physically move, you know, taking the time and money, you know?

So, yeah, that's like another another level deeper. 

Yeah, for sure. Um, so I know a lot of neurodivergent people have a shopping addiction, like they get the dopamine hits from shopping. And so do you have any, uh, words of wisdom for how to stop bringing in things that maybe you don't want in your house, but you want that dopamine hit?

And yeah, 

absolutely. That is like one of the most pinnacle things even of our, not really generation, but of just lifestyle nowadays, because we have access to every type of advertisement. I even put a funny video up on my reels on Instagram yesterday of like what advertisements are doing to us and just like trying to get us at our attention.

Um, so a couple suggestions on that is when we're trying to get that dopamine hit. We often try to go sometimes to social media, shopping, it's an addiction in some way, so it's, man, that's not an easy process, but I feel like the first step is to like, recognize it, like, I'm just trying to get a dopamine hit, like, The stuff will never fulfill me.

And the majority of people would probably know that, but when they stop and kind of allow themselves again, to mentally like, think about it, okay, like, why am I shopping? Question it. I love asking people to question it. So when I'm working with clients, they think, oh yeah, I'm going to keep, you know, this amount of pens or this amount of rice or whatever.

I'm like, okay, do you really want to, you can absolutely say yes, but do you really need that much? Rice or pens or whatever and they might say, Oh yeah, I totally do for whatever, but they don't often stop and, and ask the question why. So when we're trying to like get that dopamine hit and like, okay, I want to go shopping.

Why are you trying to get a dopamine hit often that's to suppress something that's happening or like a. a mindset or maybe a painful situation that's happened. So to pause and to like, see, okay, I'm just going to try to do this to hide something else or to try to move something else away. So when we can catch ourselves like, okay, I'm not going to buy the item now.

I'm going to go for a walk instead to get that dopamine hit, or I'm going to go. So, you know, I've been even personally trying to do better at trying to get better dopamine hits instead of just, you know, from scrolling or, you know, whatever. Um, but the recognition is one of the biggest steps like, Whoa, okay, I'm buying stuff to cover something or to.

escape something to get that dopamine hit so that it's like, Oh, it's gone away. Um, so then the second one is to have a budget, even if your budget is 5, 000 per month or 50 per month. I suggest putting boundaries because often we think like, Oh, I don't know. It's going on my credit card or it's, Oh yeah, I have 5, 000 to spend, but having a boundary will really help.

So like, okay, I'm only like, I'll allow myself to go shopping, but in this window with this amount of money or something like that, so that way we're not just thinking, Oh, just. You know, flippantly going and trying whatever, like, no, like, let's stay within these boundaries. So putting up some boundaries is very helpful.

And then also, uh, reminding yourself, like, okay, is this going to solve anything? And sure, we want to scroll for, you know, five hours, we want to spend 5, 000. But really, as we step back and look at. None of that has ever sufficed. So treating ourselves with, I wouldn't say like with more respect, but it's like looking at ourselves, like I value the money I have earned.

I have earned very hard to get, or I value this time that I've, you know, had to get off to, you know, spend this time valuing my family or something. Um, choosing to look at it, like, do I really want to spend that money on what I'm trying to get away from is. the clutter and the disorganization of my life.

So, um, those are some of the things to help with that. 

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How do you keep it organized? And if you're in a family setting, how do you get your family to help you keep it organized? 

Yes. Oh my gosh. That is. Yep. One of the, one of the biggest things with that. So. One of the main things are habits, so it is crucial with setting up good habits. It's not perfection.

It's not, Oh my gosh, I went a whole month without ever being, uh, disorganized or something. It's not perfection. It is every day becoming a little bit better. So one of my favorite books is called Atomic Habits. And you would think like, Oh my gosh, in order to make a great change. I have to, you know, change everything every day, you know, that might work for some people, but for the majority of people, that is not realistic.

And some people want to do cold turkey. That might work. I don't know. But what does work is making 1 percent of changes even every day, because it's like compounding interest after months of that, after weeks of that, I mean, years, obviously, but even just weeks of that 1 percent of change makes. For a huge, huge change overall.

So habit wise, one of the best ways to stay organized, decluttered are your habits. So if you often go have that, um, urge to go shopping, habits are pushing that forward. So like, okay. I normally just jump on my phone after the end of the day and I'm so tired and I just kind of mentally zone out. And then before I know it, I bought 200 on Amazon and stuff.

I don't even know what I bought. Right? Like. People find that funny, but I'm like, that is not funny. Cause then we're spending the money. We worked so hard to get all that time and effort that we're going to have to organize all that stuff we just bought. And then if we don't use it, it's going to sit somewhere or have to return it.

Like we are, we are amazing human beings. So I'm like, Ooh, there's cool things with this. So changing habits. Um, so yeah, those 1 percent changes. And that's the thing, like every day, maybe all it is. Instead of me putting the dishes in the sink, I'm going to start putting them in the dishwasher. Well, my whole house is crazy.

Let's start with the dishes, like just 1 percent of change, because then what we are starting to do is we're letting our, again, letting our minds and the mental state, because we have like neurological pathway or neurologic pathways already created in our minds from, you know, way back in the day. We can change them though, but we have to change the mindset of it.

And we're all, you know, we automatically want to just put the dishes in the sink, no big deal. But when we like catch that, we are starting to carve new neural pathways in our brains. to start putting the dishes in the dishwasher. And that's going to help immensely. But then you're going to start noticing, Oh, all those clothes that I'm putting on the, you know, the floor instead of the basket, I'm going to put my clothes in the basket, right.

When I take them off, you know, when I changed in the morning or whatever, making those changes, we'll start to make a, it's a snowball effect. It's so huge. And then with family. A couple suggestions is lead by example. I know it's so hard because you're like, No, you need to do this! Which, sure, I mean, still, you want to encourage them.

But I say, lead by example. Uh, some of the things that are super helpful are putting labels on the shelves, on the cabinets. So that way, like kids or even your spouse, they can see, oh yeah, this is where all this stuff goes. If they're still not putting stuff where it goes, even with labels, that will be just another conversation, a level deeper.

But at least you're giving them the opportunity, hey, this is where we're putting the rice. This is where we're going to hang our jackets or whatever. And I suggest put like hundreds of hooks all over the house. Behind doors, on doors, because that way you can just like hang up things. Instead of, oh, I have to have a drawer, I have to have all this, hang up your keys, hang up your jacket, hang up your socks, like anything.

I mean, not like nails all over your living room, but like your backpacks, your purses, like having a place. to physically put something like I'm going to put this sticky note above that. This is where my car keys go. Okay, great. My car keys are going to go on this hook, right? So that's a helpful thing. And then I always like to throw in there as often as I can, living with less.

Often people think that Um, in any situation, they think that if I just organize everything, it's going to solve it all. But living with less will help with decision fatigue. It'll help with people, uh, with mental situations that are just like, where do things go? And it gets so chaotic living with less people think, well, if I have more stuff or if I have more organizing baskets that could help, but living with less will.

I don't have the exact percentage yet and I don't have the, the, uh, medical background to back it up, but in my experience with being an organizing professional for over six years, I look at it as even getting rid of 25 to 50 percent of their stuff will literally solve like 80 percent of their issues.

Because usually it's more of a stuff issue instead of like an organizing issue. Um, that way people don't have to remember all the things, all the decisions. I don't have enough cabinet space. You know, it's like helps life be less chaotic when there's less, less stuff to manage. So instead of like a hundred tabs open on your computer, there's like 50.

Yeah. 

Yeah. No, I love that. It's so, I'm so glad you mentioned Atomic Habits. That's one of my favorite books because he lays it out in a way that my A DHD brain can understand it and that I can do it, because there's so many times when I've read books about productivity and habits and I'm like, I, I can't do that.

Like, and he's amazing. That book is amazing. It's Atomic Caps by James Claire, and then if you sign up for his newsletter. He gives you more stuff. And now they have an app out too. They just, I didn't know that an app, like, I think it was two weeks ago. I haven't used it, but he has it now. So that's cool. He did not sponsor this episode that,

um, yeah, I have a quick question. And this is something I struggle with, and I think other people might too, is I love the concept of like one thing at a time, like one, one percent change. But like, what do you say to people who really like, like that instant gratification? Like, I want it done now, like one, one thing at a time.

Takes a really long time and then I feel like you lose steam and like motivation. So like what is your advice on that? 

Yeah, no, it's so true. I mean, we're kind of like, oh, yeah. No, I oh, yeah, it's hard we can easily go in the mindset of like The microwave generation, kind of like the consumerism of just hitting the button.

Ooh, it's going to be done soon. And I wish there was like an easy solve to like, get it done really fast. And some people might actually get it done fast. And maybe when they're doing the one at a time, they're going to go through those one items, like a hundred things and, you know, half hour or something.

And that can happen. But part of the reason why I try to specify so much on it's not necessarily a time, uh, situation, but it's more of like what you're learning in the process. Because, for example, if you were to say, you know, go through a bedroom and get rid of like 75 percent of the stuff. You know, in a couple hours, that's awesome.

But what keeps it from happening again is what you learn in the process and the mindset and the heart change through it, which you may not be able to learn or grasp as quickly, you know, say if you go through it and, you know, two hours in a whole bedroom, which again, that could happen. But a lot of the difficulties that come with having, you know, the space with extra stuff is what got it to that point, which is the shopping or, you know, accepting everything for free because of a scarcity mindset.

So if we're not changing our mindset in the process, then even if you do it in a two hours or one hour, it's not really going to solve much. It might solve like that instant situation. But when you come to, when you're talking about like instant gratification. That's why I suggest going through it because, or the one thing at a time, because what happens is you're going to start going through the stuff.

I always suggest easy stuff first, like pantry food, like don't go through keepsakes. Don't go through memorabilia or like, wait for those till the end, because those do take a lot of time, um, usually so good, easiest stuff first. And that's why I say like. Choose one drawer or one shelf because that way you're gonna start getting that instant gratification of like, oh my gosh I just went through that whole drawer.

I Organized it, you know, I I got it down to like 20 items instead of 100 or whatever, and you're going to start getting that excitement that like visual confirmation of like, I'm making the progress. Sure, it's one drawer, I want my whole house done, but at least that one drawer is done. And I like to use the example of, like, a marathon.

Like, nobody wins a marathon by, like, two leaps, or two, in my situation, like, crawling, because I don't run very well, like, halfing out, tripping, falling, like, oh my gosh, it's a mess. So I won't win any of those races. I've never won a marathon, but they don't win those marathons with just a few steps. They win them one at a time and sure it might, I don't know how long marathons take, probably take me like 80 hours, but it takes time.

You know what I mean? So it's like, it, it is so sad and so frustrating when it's like, I'd need all of this done, but it's like, okay. But at least I got, you know, this cabinet done. At least I got this progress done because it's going to, it's going to feel a lot faster than you think it will, you know, after you start going, cause that snowball, once it goes, it will not stop.

Oh, it's so fun. 

That's awesome. Um, you mentioned a free resource. Um, do you have any other resources that you recommend or that people can find on your website? 

Yes. So on, yeah, on my website, I have a page that has three different documents. One is how to organize kind of some tips and steps that I've went, some of them that I've went over today.

Another one is decluttering and like questions to ask yourself. So instead of how to declutter, it's more of like, questions to ask while you're trying to declutter because, you know, you might think, well, do I like it or not? Like, well, there's a lot more going on in that situation. And so I have that free document.

And then I have an additional document of how to stay organized. And you just go to the website. It's a free PDF. You can save it on your phone. Um, but then also on my YouTube channel and all my social media platforms, I share tips and tricks on organizing and decluttering. Um, YouTube is a little bit longer, clearly, so there's.

longer answers on there, um, but definitely my social media as well to get those fun, random videos that talk about random stuff when it comes to decluttering and organizing too. 

Awesome. And where can people find you? So what, what are your handles? website, all that. 

Yeah. So it is organized by Abby and Abby is ABI.

It's straight across the board. It's my website, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, or X. Um, they're all under organized by Abby. Um, yeah, so I'm, I'm on all of it. 

That's, that's great. So wherever you're at, you can find. Maddie. Yes. And our last question is, what do you do for fun? 

I love going on the gray belt in downtown Boise.

It, so newly married, we are like finding all these fun things to do. So downtown Boise is a blast. So going and walking or running or crawling, like I was saying earlier, uh, And going to a local coffee shop and bar from walking to like, Ooh, getting fitness, going to outdoors and something yummy for the body.

Yeah, 

that's great. I love it. 

I love it. Well, for coming on the show. I really appreciate your time and you shared with us some really great information. So thank you. Oh, absolutely. Thank you ladies. 

I'm excited to implement something.

And if you enjoyed this episode, let us know what you liked about it. Give a shout out to Abby. Let us know on Instagram, or you can email us at everybrainisdifferentatgma. com. And yeah, so we hope that you enjoyed this episode. Okay. How'd you feel about that episode, Lauren? Abby is amazing. That's how I felt.

I, uh, this is probably the biggest struggle in my life right now. Is the clutter. And like, getting, like, I've been talking to you about this for like, what, like four months now? Three months? Yeah. Too much stuff. And, uh, One of the last things that she said that, like, I didn't really think about and has stuck with me is starting with, like, the not important stuff, like, like the pantry, like, that's not a big deal, um, versus, like, keepsakes and, and things that are gonna take a lot more, like, talking through whether to keep it or not, and so I think that's gonna be very helpful, at least for me, like, okay, start with the, the small things that I know are not

Um, it's gonna be way more helpful than if I like immediately go, go to the box of keepsakes and hand me downs and inheritance things that have a little bit more sentimental value and things like that. And so. Uh, that, that kind of stuck with me, so I'm excited to, hopefully that helps me. 

Yeah. Yeah. So I organized our pantry and like this, the closet for my kids stuff, um, like their art stuff and games and all of that.

And that was so easy once I just had to do it, but it was like the decision paralysis and getting overwhelmed. But once I started doing it, like. I had to finish it because everything was out on the table, you know, but I am still avoiding I have a whole closet that is full of stuff that my mom has given me from my childhood, and it is my son's closet and I need to give him his closet, you know, yeah, I can't like make myself go in there and through everything because I'm like, I don't want to get rid of it.

So, I think it's also, um, I'm gonna kind of throw my boyfriend under the bus, but I think it's helpful if you have someone to help you and like accountability. Um, as well, and so if you have, you know, either hire Abby or have like a good friend or whoever to, to hold you accountable and to, to help you through that process, like you don't have to do it alone.

I think, and I think that's really important to remember is you do not have to do it alone if you can't, or if you need that extra help and support, and I think a lot of times we do need the extra help and the extra support to be successful in, in things like this. So. Yeah. 

Body dub link. That's what I've heard it called.

And you can do that for any task that you don't want to do. I've heard that if you get someone to do it with you or not even to do it with you, just sit there. They can sit on the couch and be with me, do your thing. Just be there with you. And it motivates you to do like. Magic brain, you know, voodoo magic, get you to do it.

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